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21 November 2013 @ 07:53 pm
Journeys end in lovers meeting, etc  
Or possibly Journey's End in having to work out what the fuck to call a second version of a character who is already primarily identified by a number
Or even Journey's End in realising you can now have three way ship wars within your one OTP

Celebrating both Ten and Cloen, so everyone gets some love. Temporarily in Ten's case, but I'm sure he got over it eventually.

So then... end of a season, end of an era, a new ending for Rose Tyler (and arguably the happiest possible one for her and the Doctor). What did y'all think the first time? Were you pleased or freaking the fuck out?

develish1: Ten + TenIIdevelish1 on November 22nd, 2013 08:40 pm (UTC)
"Journey's End in realising you can now have three way ship wars within your one OTP"

Nah, I just ship it all, in all it's variations, and ignore anyone who tells me I can't, lol

Rosa | ¯\(ºдಠ)/¯: m/f: dividerosaxx50 on November 23rd, 2013 04:55 am (UTC)
Or even Journey's End in realising you can now have three way ship wars within your one OTP

Ain't that the sad truth. Strangest shipping fandom I've ever been in, and I came in late enough that most of the warring had gone quiet.
havamahal: pic#115864570havamahal on November 23rd, 2013 11:46 pm (UTC)
I really didn't like how the episode ended, especially since I knew that Rose would end up with some kind of human version of the Doctor. I remember my reaction was pretty much "WTF, RTD?!" Even after all this time I prefer to pretend Journey's End ended right after that adorable Ten's giggle, when Rose is explaining how she came back. It didn't bother me so much that Handy (sorry, the name is not meant to be offensive or anything - I just prefer this to TenToo, Cloen or any other version) grew out of hand; it bothered me, that he was on screen for 5 minutes, which wasn't nearly enough to make some kind of judgement on who this character is: what is he like, how much of Donna is there in him, how is he different from the Doctor and in what ways is he the same, and so on.

What bothered me even more was, that Ten basically dumped Rose back to the Pete's world without giving a damn that she wanted to stay in *her* world - without giving her a choice. I mean, it would've been great to know that this was what she actually wanted - to spend the rest of her life (with the duplicate Doctor) in Pete's world with her mom, her baby brother and altPete. But she didn't. She made it clear she didn't want to stay there, but Ten simply ignored that. It would've been a great character moment for Rose, if she actually had the opportunity to make that decision herself instead of it being made for her (an opportunity for character growth perhaps?). This wasn't her world and there was absolutely no reason why she would have to stay there. I mean, Mickey left, didn't he? And the two worlds didn't collapse because of it. They saved universe at a cost and the cost was "him"? Fine, then make him pay it, or you pay it, Ten. But don't make poor Rose pay for other people's mistakes. This was one of the things I loved the most about Rose - she didn't let the Doctor to make decisions for her. Nine sent her back to Earth and her own time, but she did what she wanted - she came back and saved him. Ten did the same thing in Doomsday - and she came back. It kind of felt like a slap in the face, when she was actually forced to stay where she was this time, because that's what he wanted.

I also never got the feeling that by kissing Handy she was actually choosing him instead of Ten. She kissed him, because he told her he loved her and she would've done the same to Ten, if she got the chance. But to consider that a conscious decision to stay with this mortal version of the Doctor...? Nope, I still can't see it. Maybe if there hadn't been that breaking off the kiss and running after TARDIS - and that's a big maybe. But this way... :/

And then there's another thing. RTD never gave me (or the viewers) any reason to believe that Handy's brain didn't melt 5 minutes after TARDIS left, just like Donna's would, if Ten hadn't erased her memories. It was said that Handy basically had human biology (one heart instead of two - just like Donna), so why would his brain be capable of having all that Time Lord knowledge in them and Donna's wouldn't? I'd rather not think that Ten suspected that this might happen, but then I think about Eleven's 'thanks - give me guilt' line in LKH and start wondering what the hell does Doctor have to feel guilty about, when it comes to Rose, if she's happy in parallel world with the other him...? So basically my canon turn out to be 'Ten forced Rose to stay in parallel world, refused to tell her he loved her and she ended up with Handy, whose brain melted 5 minutes after Ten and Donna left'. Ouch! I can see why most of you prefer to think he's TenToo and that he and Rose had their 'happily ever after' in Pete's world. :)

But it's great to see RTD, David and the rest saying that Rose is happy in parallel world with the other Doctor. :) (especially David, who - for some strange reason - keeps insisting that they have lots and lots of sex :D:D:D)

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to set Moffat on fire.