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01 October 2012 @ 06:26 am
Funday Monday  
Due to this weekend's DW episode...

Which Rose departure affected you more?

Journey's End

And if you do comment with spoilers for The Angels Take Manhattan, please put it behind a spoiler cut. If you don't know the spoiler cut code for comments, here it is:

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kilodalton: 10rose - doctor rosekilodalton on October 1st, 2012 01:54 pm (UTC)
I marathoned everything years after it had all aired, so I already knew Rose was coming back post-Doomsday. That's why JE effects me more...
MV: DW - confused shippermrv3000 on October 1st, 2012 02:33 pm (UTC)
I was wondering if that would be the case with some people.
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Austin: miss tylerjohnmayergirl23 on October 1st, 2012 01:55 pm (UTC)
Oh no question, when I first saw Doomsday, I thought I was going to weep forever. It still charts as one of the saddest TV moments I've ever seen.
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Katie: doctor/rosekh1369 on October 1st, 2012 06:41 pm (UTC)
Ah yes, I did this, too - virtually spoiler-free marathoning. Quite literally all I knew was, "Rose will come back." I was 100% clueless about *how* Rose was coming back and what was going to happen with her and Ten and when - I was still a mess with Doomsday.

(side note about being *almost* spoiler-free, I was really distraught watching Silence in the Library, because I knew Rose was coming back, but I also knew people shipped Eleven/River, and we were getting toward the end of S4, and I was like, omg, WHAT is even HAPPENING, how are Ten and Rose going to resolve?! I was really worried about Doctor/Rose at that point.)

But yeah. Spoiler-free Doctor Who marathon bubble = all the cries over Doomsday.
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Grace: Londongncurrier on October 1st, 2012 02:29 pm (UTC)
I was so self-spolied, cause I only watched season 2 last year, but it was so sad! Ten screaming like that...*snuggles* At least she had TenII for JE, plus I was to distracted by my Queen Donna :(
Ree: Art Nouveau - Alfons Muchareetinkerbell on October 1st, 2012 02:31 pm (UTC)
Doomsday. Not only because I had seen S1 and 2 pretty much back to back, and was all jacked-up on Doctor/Rose when I watched Doomsday, as opposed to when I saw Journey's End, which I only watched because I knew she was going to be there (I have seen some episodes of 3 and 4, but not all and not all of them entirely). Plus, the leaving was much different; in Doomsday, they were separated and alone. In Journey's End, while the Doctor was alone at the end, he was the one who made the choice (right or wrong; it was probably the best one in the end, for Rose) and not only was she not alone in the end, but a part of him was with her - so a part of him was not alone. Hopefully that brought the "real" Doctor some comfort, eventually. To think that he was making her happy, even if it was physically another person.

Still, there were tears. Just not as many of JE as there were over Doomsday. I mean, I cried more over 10's goodbye to Rose in End of Time than I did over their goodbye in JE, if I'm honest. Because *that* was truly the end.
Gracegncurrier on October 1st, 2012 03:04 pm (UTC)
+1 fpr last sentence. Thst's the one that hit me the hardest. Doomsday is awesome, but Rose's Theme is so heartbreaking there...I'm all about the soundtrack.
ilsiux: Glastoilsiux on October 1st, 2012 02:50 pm (UTC)
Well I was spoiled for Rose's comeback, but I still cried, not because she was away (which obviouly was the issue) but because of the way DT and BP performed, the scene on the beach, well, I normally don't cry, but I really shed tears, my eyes still get watery everytime I see that episode. I just want to scream to the tv and say "of course it need saying you stupid moron!!!!!!" I know I'm harsh, but Rose was in a parallel universe !!!! D'''''':

As for Journey's end, it was sad, but TenToooooo was there, and he said the words! and I love him so muuuuch, and well, when it is followed by Donna's fate, well, my poor Donna, which I think it is the saddest companion's ending for new who btw. Martha's departure for me, is the best (in terms of how she was after the Doctor's departure) the girl knows what she wants, and what she has to do, that is incredible, making that kind of choices is not easy.

some spoilers, this is not the place but:

[Spoiler (click to open)]The Ponds deserved better, just a "hey lookie, what's this? *pops out of existance* but well, at least they have their wonderful memories of their time with the Doctor and they are together which is the most important part
Lomeinie: [DW] The Doctor & the Ponds2cbetter2 on October 1st, 2012 03:38 pm (UTC)
I think Doomsday will always be my ultimate cryfest in Doctor Who, with Journey's End (I cry more for Donna's ending than Bad Wolf Bay 2) and The Angels Take Manhattan tied for second in the cryfest because I adored Rory so much! Doomsday has always turned me into a blubbering mess, and one of the biggest reasons is that the Doctor and Rose were unable to touch each other during their goodbye.... that just hurts me every time I've watched it!
wowthatfangirl: pic#118883126wowthatfangirl on October 1st, 2012 03:39 pm (UTC)
Doomsday for sure. I still can't listen to the Doomsday theme without shedding a tear :(
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foxmoonfade on October 1st, 2012 04:05 pm (UTC)
I was spoiled for Doomsday because a friend sent me a link to a Doctor/Rose fanvid that showed their separation. I didn't really understand the how and why of it, just that it happened, and it was like a punch to the gut. I was so distraught and listened to depressing music to help me feel worse lol. We were only a couple episodes away from Doomsday at the time, and I still fell apart when we watched it in context. No show has ever affected me like this. I'm generally not much of a crier and it had me just so overwhelmed with sadness.

It'll take a lot to beat that. So far, no other season finale has.
Kali: dw :: cloen/rose :: he needs you_thirty2flavors on October 1st, 2012 04:19 pm (UTC)
Yeah I knew Doomsday wouldn't stick because Sidereel had a big ROSE RETURNS thing when I was watching, lol. That said, I do think it is much sadder than JE, because JE is pretty happy in comparison.
Hannah: Ten & Rose; no power on this earthfirstofoct on October 1st, 2012 10:05 pm (UTC)
Right? I mean I think about JE way more because HIII CLOEN and OMG DONNAAAA. But in terms of just plain sadness for Rose, it's going to be Doomsday.
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meanderingeffervescent on October 1st, 2012 05:11 pm (UTC)
Doomsday can still make me cry. Journey's End was just a different type of episode, the Doctor was making a choice, not being forcefully separated from Rose.
fid_gin: Doctor-fid_ginfid_gin on October 1st, 2012 05:12 pm (UTC)
As much as I loved JE, the emotional impact was not quite as acute as it was in Doomsday, for several reasons IMO:

1. When I saw Doomsday, it was only about 1 year after it aired. I honestly thought ROSE WAS GONE FOREVER, and it was THE SADDEST THING POSSIBLE. After JE, there was always this lingering hope that "She could come back! She did it before!"

2. Rose has Ten II, and the last shot we see is of her holding his hand. Not quite the same emotional impact of Rose, weeping alone on that fucking beach.

3. I love you, RTD, I do, but...the writing of the beach scene in JE was just not up to par with that of Doomsday. After reading his autobiography, I know how hard it was for him to write this scene and why (Why would the Doctor voluntarily leave Rose? Why would she let him? What the hell to do with Ten II anyway? Why would Rose possibly accept this second version of the Doctor after, like, ten minutes?) and unfortunately, the scene suffered.

4. The actors' delivery was odd. Maybe because Billie had been out of the show for so long and their chemistry was off, but (with the exception of that HEARTBREAKING glance from the Doctor as Ten II and Rose are making out and he turns and leaves) I just, upon rewatch, don't quite BUY that that they love each other more than anything and are SAYING GOODBYE FOR THE LAST TIME FOR REALZ THIS TIME OKAY???
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Lilli tys on October 1st, 2012 09:21 pm (UTC)
I could NEVER choose!
Doomsday is so... well you all know how it is! It breaks my heart over and over again. Even now that I know they will be reunited... It doesn't help at all!

But Journey's end... First we are given Rose back and then she's taken back! Not just that, but THE DOCTOR HIMSELF LEAVES HER THERE EVEN THOUGH THEY COULD BE TOGETHER and yes he has his reasons and he just wants Rose to be happy and he thinks Rose will be happy now and maybe she is but THAT IS IRRELEVANT. And AS IF THAT WASN'T MORE THAN ENOUGH PAIN FOR SEVERAL LIFETIMES there is the whole Donna incident and I love Donna so so so so much too and EVERYTHING goes just so WRONG!

My point is... something like... Doomsday makes me sad, Journey's end makes me mad. Both of them make me want to throw things around and scream and jump off a cliff.

I'm just so happy I have good self deception skills and can assure myself that nothing bad ever happened and they lived happily ever after!
(Fanfiction helps with this, my thanks to all of you that write happy fics. To angst-fic-writers: what the heck is wrong with you?)
Eli-chan: 10Rose - distancesilverlunarstar on October 1st, 2012 11:52 pm (UTC)
I really need more sleep if I accidentally pressed JE instead of Doomsday...

I marathoned as well and ~knew~ they'd be separated via...I don't even remember now, but I thought it was like she stayed on some other planet or something, so while I was watching it I was HOW COULD SHE LEAVE HIM! Or wondered if she'd been lost/kidnapped and HAD to stay or something. Doomsday was a kick in the gut.
Alia: RoseLaughanonymouscatt on October 2nd, 2012 12:21 am (UTC)
It has to be Doomsday. It's funny though, the news that Rose would be returning in S4 came out only a few days before I finished S2. I spent the entire beach scene sobbing, "She's coming back, she's coming baaaack" into my pillow.